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Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)

by Karen
(MA)

She's a bit thinner than this now

She's a bit thinner than this now

She's a bit thinner than this now
Her eyes are always that red

My (almost) 4 year old white boxer has always been a skinny girl. She has never been over 50-55lbs. She was diagnosed with IBS after bouts of violent diarrhea and loose stools.


We tried to switch her food a few times and ended up with Natural Balance Sweet Potato and Bison L.I.D. Always a beyond good eater, always hungry. She was getting 2 cups of food 3x a day to gain weight.

She does have allergies to 5 types of grasses, 3-4 types of trees, mold, dust and a host of other pollens and allergens. We have a hepa filter in the bedroom, she sleeps on an organic cooling bed in her crate.

My husband also has allergies so we were giving her benadryl 3x a day but I got concerned about the dye on the pills.

So she does exhibit rolling on the rug, rubbing her face, rubbing her back on the rug.

She also has tear stains but she hasn't been to the groomer in a long time and usually they take care of that.

She did present with an ear infection as a puppy and we used Otomix for it and she responded very quickly to this. Usually tear stains tell us she has an ear infection but this time no ear issues just the stains.

In the past 2 years she has gone to a daycare 2x a week from 7a-6p. She loves it! Her energy level is crazy when she gets ready to go and knows when she is going!

She has had kennel cough on 2 or 3 separate occasions and the vet put her on antibiotics. She also had an interdistal cyst on her right rear paw that burst and required a vet trip and antibiotics again. She recently had another one on her back left paw and we dealt with it at home. She appeared to be fine and it healed very quickly!

Within the past 3 months she has had 3 incidents of violent diarrhea and vomiting. She had one bout while my husband was on a run and she was in her crate. He had to clean her up and other than that her behavior was fine. She was eating and drinking (she never really drinks water) fine.

She had another in May when we went away. She had stayed at her daycare was home a day and then that night I could hear her panting in her crate, took her out and she vomited and had explosive diarrhea. She was otherwise fine, had diarrhea for a few days we put her on chicken and rice, kept her out of daycare for a week and sent her back.

She had another after a July stay at her daycare on the hottest days of the summer in July this year...same incident as above but this time she didn't rebound as quickly. I contacted the vet and they said chicken and rice until she was better. Her poop never got solid again with her food so I switched her to chicken and rice for a couple weeks. She hasn't been back to daycare.

She is soooo skinny now and she seems so sad because every time I go to leave the house she runs for the door and thinks she's going to daycare.

When I say skinny, her ribs are showing, hip bones....She is now eating a mixture of whole chicken (no bones), sweet potato, carrot, rice, bone meal, brewer's yeast...she gets 1 cup 3x a day and she gets kefir (1 Tablespoon) in the morning, at lunch she gets some chicken broth at lunch and water with dinner...she does not drink water usually so we make sure that her meals are "juicy" with liquid. We used to give her ice but then all these confusing stories came out and it made me crazy so I stopped. I'm getting a vitamin tomorrow to add to her meals and I also was told about a bovine based supplement that our dog care owner uses for her dogs and she and her family thought about trying that.

The other thing I noticed for a long time but have been told that it could be related to her being spayed is leaking urine. She is usually on the couch with me sleeping...like now when it happens or she'll be walking around the house with a long "string" hanging.

She's been playful and you can get her riled up pretty quickly but I do believe her days at daycare kept her happy and healthy. She is peeing and pooping. Her poop has finally gotten solid with the diet change although with the sweet potato and carrots it's orange!

I just feel awful but my husband doesn't want to take her to the vet yet. He says that it will take time to get her to a healthy weight and we should be patient and send her back to daycare albeit shorter hours.

I am concerned that she is so thin and we might not be feeding her enough or I'm killing her with this diet and I should run to the store and buy her some crap food and feed her 10x a day! She appears ravenous but I don't want to feed her too much and have other issues. She is a white boxer so if she were dark like our others I probably wouldn't be freaking out but she's white and everything stands out!

She's a wicked snuggle bug and will kiss and love on you for day but I just want her to be healthy! I did consult with her breeder and we did add yogurt into her diet again (I switched to kefir this week) and pumpkin. Both of which she had as a puppy. She was fine with those. She also suggested satin balls and I made them and they are raw and frozen in my freezer but I'm afraid to make her sick by giving them to her!!!

Wow I hope I covered everything! I have no idea how much she weighs but I will say 40-42lbs and she's tall.

Thank you for any suggestions even if it means traditional bag food, a visit to the vet, anything to help her and make me sane...I really am a mess but my husband is relaxed about all of this and I'm making him crazy!

Karen

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Aug 06, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

August 5, 2014

Hi Karen,
It sounds like you are on the right track with diet, but you need to 'fine tune' a few things. Make sure you are feeding her at least 900-950 calories per day. That is how much she needs to maintain a body weight of 50-55lbs. (So, she could have 300-315 calories three times daily).

Since she was doing well on the Natural Balance Bison and Sweet Potato Limited Ingredients Diet, I suggest you find it in a *canned* form and add the canned version to what you are feeding her now, to make sure her calorie count is adequate.

She needs to have lots of acidophilus, but I am leery of using too many dairy products in a dog with SO many immune system problems. Even though she seems to be ok with the kefir and yogurt, I would keep that to a minimum and use PB8 or other acidophilus in a capsule form. For whatever brand you get, give her a dose for half of what a human would take.

To make sure her gut is absorbing enough of the correct nutrients, she should also have Canine Whole Body Support by Standard Process added to her food. It comes in a powder form, and is available on amazon.com. (The dose is according to body weight and will be listed on the label.)

In my practice, I also give a Vitamin B-12 injection 1-2 times per week for these dogs with chronic IBS. This is something that your 'regular' veterinarian can make up for you, for you to give her at home. The injection is given SQ, just under the skin. (Although, since I do acupuncture, I give it in certain acupuncture points to help the stomach and the intestine.)

If you are up for this, try to give the injection in GV 14, Governing Vessel 14, located in front of her shoulders on the midline. A powerful point for releasing heat, calming inflammation, and boosting the immune system. You can google *canine acupuncture point GV14* and it should come up with a photo of the exact location! If this is too complicated, just give the injection anywhere in the SQ over her shoulder area, and use *acupressure* on the GV14 point. (10 seconds once a day)

She may need to have the B-12 once or twice a week for the next 6 weeks to 2 months.

Rescue Remedy-(for anxiety) can be given in her water bowl daily, and diluted (20 drops in a 2oz dropper bottle in Spring Water, by mouth as needed)

NO VACCINATIONS-a holistic veterinarian can write an exemption form

Homeopathic Remedy Sulphur 12C by mouth two times daily for the next 3-6 weeks.
(for inhaled allergies, urine incontinence, vaccinosis, diarrhea/vomiting, and redness of skin with itching.)

This can be given in dry pellet form, one pellet in her mouth two times daily *away* from food. Or dissolve ONE pellet in a 2oz glass dropper bottle and fill with Spring water and give 1/2 dropperful by mouth two times daily for 3-6 weeks.

She may need a Total blood panel to make sure she has no other internal problems, and also a
stool sample-- when her stool is more solid--to rule out parasites, such as Giardia, whipworms, etc.

A weekly bath with a baby shampoo or oatmeal shampoo, may cool her skin and make her more comfortable. Also, using the Rescue Remedy topically ON her skin, can calm her skin. (drip some into the palm of your hand and wipe it on her face and around her eyes.)

This should be enough to get you started for now. Here is a site for finding a holistic veterinarian:

Click here to find a holistic veterinarian in your area. Another resource for vets knowledgeable in homeopathy is AVH.org.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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DISCLAIMER: The above should never replace the advice of your local veterinarian, as they have the ability to evaluate your dog in person.





Aug 17, 2014
Update on Bianca
by: Karen

Thank you for all of your helpful information! Here's what has happened since then...

I set up an appointment with a new vet who takes a more holistic approach, uses chinese herbs, does accupuncture, and really tries to work with you on what you are willing to do and take on.

We did a stool sample and full blood panel. He did say that whip worms could be the cause of her issues and then the blood panel came back that she has IBD and isn't absorbing the nutrition in her small intestines. He said that an antibiotic regimin could be done to deal with the bacteria that builds up from the food. But he doesn't prefer that because once they come off the meds they get sick again. He recommended B12 shots 1x a week for the next month and then monthly after that at home. He said to add Vitamin E 200-400 IU, fish oil 1000mg, flaxseed and a probiotic. He said her pancreas is fine but she will need to be on a limited ingredient diet that is low fat. He said we will watch to see how she responds to the B12. I did give him all of your recommendations as well, he is looking at them and we're supposed to talk tomorrow when she gets her first shot.

I'm really trying to make her food appropriately and now I'm reading about soaking oats and rice for phylates and phytic acid and now I'm really confused! I just made her food- 2 whole chickens 11lbs total), 2 large sweet potatoes, and about 10 carrots- all boiled together- I debone the chicken and shred the chicken and skins, mash the sweet potatoes, mash the carrots, process the organ meats...then I mix everything in a large bowl with 2 tsp of bone meal, 2 tsp of brewer's yeast, 2 tsp of UDO oil, make patties and feed her 1-1 1/2 patties 3x a day...the first and last meals we add the chicken broth, and the middle meal I add 1 tbsp of kefir. The other mixture is 1 lb ground turkey, 2 cups of oatmeal, a 1/2 cauliflower, bone meal, brewer's yeast, I give her one cup servings 3x a day. She has responded well to this meal as well. I haven't added the wet food because I'd rather find an organic food for her so if you have any favorites please let me know.

Will she gain weight once she begins the B12 shots? Will the rescue remedy help her tear stains and all the rubbing that she does? I'm going to see what the Dr. has to say tomorrow and then move forward with purchasing all of the supplements that you have both recommended.

This certainly has been an adventure! I sincerely appreciate your input as I can share it with the new Dr. and figure things out in a collaborative and more holistic way!

Thank you!!

Karen & Bianca



Aug 17, 2014
My Online Vet Response For: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

August 17, 2014

Hi Karen,
For Bianca--
You wrote,
"Will she gain weight once she begins the B12 shots?"

No, but at least she will not be deficient in vitamins.

She will gain weight when she is able to absorb adequate calories. The homeopathic remedy and other supplements are necessary to help her intestine heal, so she *will* be able to absorb all of her nutrients!


You wrote,
"Will the rescue remedy help her tear stains and all the rubbing that she does?"

No, Rescue Remedy will help her anxiety. The homeopathic remedy Sulphur is for itching/allergies. In my opinion, Bianca's constitutional weakness happens to be her intestine. IBS can be related to an individual's emotional state. If she has anxiety, irritability, etc. it will affect her intestinal tract, resulting in IBS, stomach upset, chronic diarrhea or constipation.

You wrote,
"I'm going to see what the Dr. has to say tomorrow and then move forward with purchasing all of the supplements that you have both recommended."

Sounds like a plan.

Keep us posted!

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Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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Sep 20, 2014
I've got an IBS/D Lab, too.
by: Tina B

Karen:

I stumbled on your post and thought I'd throw my two cents in...since I'm dealing with a dog with very similar symptoms.

Major is my 5 1/2 year old Lab...who began suffering bloat at 6/7 months (right after he was neutered...which is another story in itself) and IBS/D.

He was constantly hungry...and had diarrhea all day, every day. He could control it and ask to go out, but that made for leaving the house very difficult.

I switched to a premium grain free kibble and he improved some.

Then I read that moist food helped dogs with IBS/D...so I added one can of premium wet food. I spoke with a vet nutritionist, he said I was on the right track with adding wet food...but to increase it to two cans a day (including his regular amount of kibble).

He improved even more with the additional can, but the cost of feeding two cans daily was crazy. (It's generally more difficult for a dog to digest kibble than raw/canned...especially so if a dog has IBS/D. It's mush less taxing to feed canned/cooked/raw.) So, I switched to a 100% raw diet...and...HOLY COW! That made all the difference in the world. He finally gained weight and we can no longer see his hip bones or spine. Diarrhea is rare (it does happen on the rare occasion, but I'm working on that.

He take no mediation now...which is a plus.

Major eats a varied raw diet (beef/turkey/chicken/some pork) with some added Olewo carrots daily. he eats a small amount of oatmeal in his ground mix...but no other grains...especially rice, corn or wheat. He does NOT get vaccinations (my vet signs a waiver) and we try to keep the house stress-free. Stressful times is a guarantee that diarrhea will show. I keep Rescue Remedy on hand for those times...I put some drops on my hands, let him smell it or lick it if he wants then rub in on the underside of his ears. I add a bit more Olewo carrots if he does have diarrhea...and it's gone in no time.

Oh, and let me add...before you throw away those chicken bones from making your pup's meals...toss all of them into a crock pot, cover with water, add a couple tablespoons of organic apple cider vinegar and let it cook for about 48 hours. It makes an incredible bone broth full of good stuff for your pup. When it's cooled a bit...strain it and pour the broth into small bowls and feed as you would when you put water on his food. It's good stuff...and free. :)

Best of luck...there's a light at the end of the tunnel...




Sep 21, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

September 21, 2014

Hi Tina,
Thank you so much for the great testimony regarding feeding a raw food for dogs. I am so glad that Major has improved so much and is much healthier now on the raw diet, and no more vaccinations!!

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman


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Sep 22, 2014
Thank you and update!
by: Karen

Thanks for your information Tina! That's awesome that Major has improved so much!! I have taken to cooking Bianca's food (a turkey/cauliflower/oat; ground lamb/beef mixture/sweet potato/carrot; chicken/sweet potato/carrot) and peanut butter on a spoon for treats! She has tolerated her food without incident! She hasn't had any issues with her belly since! We switched to a vet who believes in a holistic approach and he tested her for a variety of worms, organ functioning, and blood issues. Turns out she has issues with nutrient absorption in her small intestines and that was the reason for the weight loss. It became significant because she became so ill and I stopped feeding her dog food for a long period of time. She has had 4 B12 shots and has already gained almost 2 lbs!! It doesn't sound like a lot but she looks so much better! The vet also has her on fish oil, a probiotic, and will be starting an herbal remedy to maintain her spleen chi. Her pancreas is underfunctioning so we're trying to balance everything. She is also getting a banana and B complex at daycare to maintain electrolytes since she plays hard for 10-12 hours (despite a nap time!). The plan is for a B12 shot monthly and hopefully a full "recovery" of weight by spring! I am getting ready to make her chicken concoction so I am absolutely going to make that bone broth!!!! What a great idea since this girl hates to drink her filtered bowl water!! This continues to be a journey that we like to end with giant success!!! Thank you so much for your input it is greatly appreciated!!

Karen & Bianca

Sep 22, 2014
Major
by: Tina B

Karen:

How wonderful that Bianca has gained a couple of pounds!

Your Bianca sounds very similar to Major…all blood work came back good, never any worms/parasites…by all accounts he should have been 100%. Major also has issues with nutrient absorption…that’s why I made the leap to raw. He still gets 4oz more to eat daily than our other Labs, but he’s maintained his weight AND filled out.

I feed fish oil, too…Major gets Grizzly Salmon Oil in the morning with his carrots and virgin coconut oil in the evenings with his dinner. I tried several varieties of probiotics or digestive enzymes, but didn’t have much luck…I do occasionally give all of them a good spoonful of organic Greek yogurt a few times a month. I feed powdered spirulina and kelp on alternate days for additional nutrients.

I noticed a change with Major’s digestion when I added green tripe to his diet. It’s as smelly as heck, but the dogs love it and it helps with digestion.

You’ll have to let me know how Bianca likes the bone broth…best of luck, Tina

Sep 23, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

September 22, 2014

Hi Karen,
That is a great update on Bianca, and a nice progress report. I am very glad that she is doing better with her improved diet, B-12 injections, and nutritional support.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman


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Nov 24, 2014
Update on Bianca
by: Karen

Soooo...Bianca has gained about 3 pounds since we began the B12 injections! Very excited although she still looks so skinny more muscular now! Today she had a rough day...apparently after she got to her "school" and played a little bit she proceeded to throw up 3 different times. They weren't concerned until she threw up a 5 ft trail of food chunks and liquid! YUCK! They also said that it smelled absolutely disgusting! She was "fine" when I got there to pick her up (trying to play with another dog in the lobby, eat the tracheas that are in the bins, and other treats) and has been for the past 2 1/2 hours...no vomit, no diarrhea, just a growling belly and a desire to eat! The vet said to keep her off food for 24 hours...but the poor thing is starving! My husband just told me that he happened to smell the container with her food from this morning and it had a bad smell. He thinks she got food poisoning especially given the violence of the vomiting. She's sleeping comfortably right now but I'm wondering if I should give her something to prevent dehydration etc. My husband wants to give her a banana/kefir mashup (that's what she gets in her breakfast on school days) but I'm not so sure. I want her to have something but no clue what to give her if anything.

I will say overall with the diet change, vet change, addition of the B12, she's continuing to do well! We were supposed to add CoQ10 since she'll be 4 tomorrow and Boxers are prone to heart issues after that age. That's now on hold. We are going to tackle her eye stains with Halo organic herb wash unless there is something else we can try because now on the eye stain that is worse she developed what looks like a big wart. My other boxer had one and no one knew what it was! I'm hoping that the eye wash will get rid of that too! Oh the things we do for our kids!

Thank goodness I'm off today otherwise this could have been a very interesting adventure!

Karen




Nov 24, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

November 24, 2014

Hi Karen,
After a dog has done a lot of vomiting, I will allow them to chew/lick a bowl of ice cubes. These can be plain ice cubes or frozen chicken or turkey broth ice cubes.

Otherwise, solid food may be vomited back up if the stomach is still irritated or 'inflamed'.

Nux vomica homeopathic remedy is good for an 'upset' stomach with a lot of vomiting. Nux vomica 12C or 30C given one time per hour for 3 hours then wait, and repeat every 8 hours if still needed.

Arsenicum alba 12C or 30C (same dose as above) if food poisoning is suspected, especially from spoiled meat.

Or just resume the Sulphur remedy that she was taking before, since that may be her 'constitutional' remedy, for her with the allergies, rubbing her face, and the IBS.

Halo Herbal Eye wash is a great product for treating eye stains. It will not make warts go away, that is why I suggested the Sulphur, but keep me posted on this wart. If possible please send a photo!

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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Nov 25, 2014
Update from yesterday...
by: Karen & Bianca








So after Bianca's apparent violent vomiting at "school" and thinking that it might have been food poisoning, she's doing so much better. She has been tolerating chicken broth 1/4 cup at a time but we aren't sure what to do next. We were going to give her 1/4 cup of her food (turkey/oats/cauliflower) at a time or boil a chicken breast and give her half. We just don't want her to lose any weight!! She hasn't gotten sick at all since last night when I gave her a cup and a half of broth and she lapped it up in like 30 seconds, it didn't end well! But it's been all good since at least 5 last night! I haven't started the sulfur since I still have to start CoQ10 and we did begin a Qui blend a few days ago. I'm going to order the Halo today.

I'm trying to upload a picture but it won't upload! I'm going to continue to try...

Thank you for your continued input!!

Karen & Bianca




Nov 25, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

November 25, 2014

Hi Karen,
Gradually resume Bianca onto her diet, making it in the form of a liquid 'gruel' type consistency. You MUST feed her small amounts for each meal, about 1/3 cup for each meal, 2-3 hours apart.

Her stomach is still VERY inflamed. And will take about 2-3 days to get back to normal. Dogs stomachs have 10-20 times MORE hydrochloric acid than a human. So, after all the violent vomiting and increased acid, it will take some time for things to return to normal. Today it should be gruel, and tomorrow perhaps a little less 'liquidy', and by Thanksgiving, more solid, and so on until the weekend.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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Dec 11, 2014
Update on Bianca
by: Karen & Bianca

Thank you so much for the awesome advice and guidance!!! Bianca went through a week of rebuilding into eating despite the fact that she wanted to eat! We kept to the rule of one step at a time to avoid giving her additional stress! She already looks like she's gained the weight back! She is getting another B12 injection Monday so we'll see how much more she needs to gain before she's back to where she was before the vomiting extravaganza!

I received the Halo eye wash today so we'll start that tomorrow. Unfortunately, I can't upload a picture of what her growth looks like but here's how I can best describe it: It is pink and round under her right eye (about an inch down) in a fold in her face. This is right where another tear stain has developed. Her eyes appear to water alot and we keep her from scratching and rubbing as much as we can. She has now caused it to bleed several times and it has scabbed over and ripped that off too. She's constantly rubbing her face on the carpet or with her paws. My husband is cleaning it with hydrogen peroxide, I told him not to. I was going to put Manuka honey on it due to the antibiotic properties it has. When you take the fold back to look at the entire growth because it's so moist it looks "gooey" for lack of a better word. Any suggestions on how to clean this thing out? I'd rather not go the entire weekend with her face like this, although it's been this way for a bit.

Thank you again for all of your great ideas!!!

Bianca & Karen

Dec 11, 2014
Update on Bianca
by: Karen & Bianca

Thank you so much for the awesome advice and guidance!!! Bianca went through a week of rebuilding into eating despite the fact that she wanted to eat! We kept to the rule of one step at a time to avoid giving her additional stress! She already looks like she's gained the weight back! She is getting another B12 injection Monday so we'll see how much more she needs to gain before she's back to where she was before the vomiting extravaganza!

I received the Halo eye wash today so we'll start that tomorrow. Unfortunately, I can't upload a picture of what her growth looks like but here's how I can best describe it: It is pink and round under her right eye (about an inch down) in a fold in her face. This is right where another tear stain has developed. Her eyes appear to water alot and we keep her from scratching and rubbing as much as we can. She has now caused it to bleed several times and it has scabbed over and ripped that off too. She's constantly rubbing her face on the carpet or with her paws. My husband is cleaning it with hydrogen peroxide, I told him not to. I was going to put Manuka honey on it due to the antibiotic properties it has. When you take the fold back to look at the entire growth because it's so moist it looks "gooey" for lack of a better word. Any suggestions on how to clean this thing out? I'd rather not go the entire weekend with her face like this, although it's been this way for a bit.

Thank you again for all of your great ideas!!!

Bianca & Karen

Dec 15, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

December 15, 2014

Hi Karen,
Sorry for the delayed response. I was traveling from Florida on Dec 11 back to Nevada. And yesterday traveled to California. Now I am able to answer your questions on this 'wart-like' growth that has developed in Bianca's face fold.

You can use either witch hazel or a small amount of vinegar to clean this warty growth in her face fold, at least 2-3 times daily.

She will need one dose once a week of THUYA, (Thuja occidentalis). See if you can find Thuya 30C or even 200C either at a health food store or on line. Give her either the dry pellet, (one pellet into her mouth) or dissolve one pellet into a 2 oz eye dropper bottle filled with Spring Water. Shake the bottle 20 times, and give her one eye dropperful by mouth ONCE every 7 days.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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Dec 27, 2014
Post-Christmas update!
by: Karen & Bianca

Thanks so much for your response...that's a ton of traveling so we sincerely appreciate your thoughts!!!

We ended up at the vet for Bianca's B12 shot...she's up to 49.1 lbs...would have been over 50 without her unexpected illness last month! We were all very excited with her progress! The growth was diagnosed as a furnucle...the same things she gets on her paws every once in a great while! And it was in a fold so she was infected as well...we are doing Malacetic HC wipes x2/day and topical antibiotic...her face is clearing up but she rubs her face on the carpet or scratches her face and the growth gets impacted. We want to be sure that we get rid of this thing and I know that you have said that you need to treat from the inside out. So I am going to chat with our vet on her visit for another shot and find out if there will be any interactions with the Qui supplement she is on and what you have recommended.

Here is a tbought I had...could she be allergic to the Brewer's yeast that I put in her food? Or the apple cider vinegar? I've read that some dogs can be allergic and given Bianca's track record it's definitely a possibility I would think. I can certainly stop adding that into her food.

Thank you again for all of your help! We have recommended this site to many of our friends who are battling a variety of questions that their traditional and strict vets won't consider answering with alternatives...so sad.

Happy day!

Karen & Bianca

Dec 29, 2014
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr Carol Jean Tillman

December 29, 2014

Hi Karen,
You wrote,

"going to chat with our vet on her visit for another shot and find out if there will be any interactions with the Qui supplement she is on and what you have recommended."

Yes, giving a Chinese herbal supplement like Qi support, or even acupuncture, will interfere with a homeopathic remedy. (Like the Thuya, that I suggested.) A Chinese herb will make the remedy less effective. Although, it will not interfere with the Chinese herb.

If you have started Bianca on Chinese herbs, and acupuncture, then you should probably not give any homeopathic remedy. Although, if she is not responding to the Chinese herbs and/or acupuncture, then you could stop it and start the homeopathic remedy.

Using too many energetic therapies tend to pull the body's healing forces in too many directions. Moving the Qi, versus moving the Vital Force, act as different energies, and usually are not used in combination.

You wrote,

"Here is a thought I had...could she be allergic to the Brewer's yeast that I put in her food? Or the apple cider vinegar?"

I suppose that would be a rare possibility, but not likely, that she is allergic to yeast. And I am not aware of any dog having an allergic reaction to Apple cider vinegar.

I suggest you continue with the supplements, and include the yeast and apple cider vinegar, and we can monitor her response.

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Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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Apr 04, 2015
Here we go again... : (
by: Karen & Bianca

After gaining weight and being up to almost 52lbs...we've had a setback...

Here's what she's been eating ground turkey, beef (grass fed 85/15), or chicken...each mixed with either sweet potato and carrot or oats and green beans or cauliflower...a combination oil (Udo's oil), brewer's yeast, apple cider vinegar, and bone meal...she gets 2 cups 3x a day...

She came home from "school" on Thursday and threw up a little bit, just her beans, but ate fine and was acting fine, by midnight she was panting in her crate and when I took her out she had diarrhea, and threw up a little but it's been mainly diarrhead. I realized she hadn't had her B12 shot in a month and we just switched her from eating 3x a day to 2x a day but maintaining the same amount of food. Her stool had been fluctuately between soft and solid since Sunday of this past week.

She spent the day at "school" on Sunday, went back on Monday, home Tuesday/Wednesday, "school" Thursday, and yesterday this all began. Not sure if the stress of playing so much is an issue but we took a trip to the vet yesterday.

She's back down to 49.8lbs, had diarrhea, and otherwise fine. Nothing changes about her energy level or her personality! We gave her a B12 shot, determining that every 3 weeks is a better time frame, and she got a shen calm that is supposed to help with digestion and calm her anxiety and energy a bit.

I can hear her belly from here! I made her boiled chicken and rice (cooked in the strained clear juice of the boiled chickens) that she had yesterday but nothing this morning. She's outside trying to eat grass, circling in the kitchen, and having small bouts of diarrhea but nothing outrageous as before and no vomiting.

So...fast her today, broth tomorrow working up to a slurry? Then hopefully by Monday regular food again? I don't want her to lose any more weight...she looked so good and was still gaining! Should I look at changing her diet again? Or could this be from something they let her eat at school on Sunday? This seems to be an every 4 month issue just not as bad...July last year was AWFUL...November was not good but not as bad as July...and this situation is incredibly minor compared to the previous 2 situations.

She did have an appt in February for her physical and I hate to admit this but she got her rabies...and convinced my husband to do lepto...I contend that this is the issue!!! Not sure what to do about that except she won't be getting anything anymore...the rabies is a 3 year and we titered her for the others and she's fine...freaking vaccinations!!! UGH! Needless to say...

Am I on the right track with treating her situation? I was going to freeze some of the broth to give her...and put some in her bowl. She's never been a big drinker but I know that's important given her situtation right now.

Thanks for any insight...and thanks to everyone who has posted...we've been doing so well we forgot to give an update...and then this happened! : (

I'm still entertaining a raw diet but not so sure that this will happen...

Have a great day!

Karen & Bianca

Apr 04, 2015
My Online Vet Response for: Underweight Dog with Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
by: Dr Carol Jean Tillman

April 4, 2015

Hi Karen,
Regarding a flare-up of digestive issues:

You wrote,
"....fast her today, broth tomorrow working up to a slurry? Then hopefully by Monday regular food again?

Yes, that sounds good. ALSO, she should have the homeopathic remedy Nux vomica 6C or 12C. One pellet three times daily for 3 days. This remedy is wonderful for digestive upsets. Especially as she seems to have relapses and set backs.

You wrote,
"She did have an appt in February for her physical and... she got her rabies...and convinced my husband to do lepto."

And this is probably why she had the set back!

After giving Nux vomica for this flare-up, wait 2-3 weeks, and the remedy that follows well, is Sulphur. Sulphur is a GREAT remedy for ill effects after vaccinations. Sulphur 30C one dose one time daily for 3 days, should help.

You wrote,

"Should I look at changing her diet again?"
No.

You wrote,
"...Or could this be from something they let her eat at school on Sunday?"
Possibly, and/or stress from being at 'school' plus something new to eat. Rescue Remedy would be helpful in those stressful situations to calm her anxiety and calm her GI tract.

You wrote,

"This seems to be an every 4 month issue just not as bad...July last year was AWFUL...November was not good but not as bad as July...and this situation is incredibly minor compared to the previous 2 situations."

Overall, it sounds like she is slowly improving. But continuing vaccinations will hinder any further healing.

Dr Ron Schultz, from the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine, http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/people/ronald%20d%20schultz/, with 35 years of research into duration of immunity from vaccines in dogs and cats, states that dogs and cats receiving 1 or 2 vaccinations between the ages of 6 months to 2 years of age, have immunity that will last the REST OF THEIR LIFE!

If Bianca is NOT healthy, she should not receive any vaccination. Inside every box of vaccine is a small insert that states, (among other things), "To be administered to healthy dogs only."

You wrote,
"I'm still entertaining a raw diet but not so sure that this will happen..."

No, problem, as I doubt she has a healthy enough GI tract at this time to handle it!

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Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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