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Droopy Goopy Red and Bloodshot Dog Eyes & Itchy Chin with Yeasty Odor

by Karan C.
(Ogdensburg, NY)

left eye with mucus

left eye with mucus

left eye with mucus
right eye with mucus
left eye, close up
Normally a happy girl!

Our 9.5 year old Spinone Italiano was prescribed three weeks of 500mg Cephelexin following ACL surgery on May 30, 2013 - around mid-June she began to experience problems with her eyes.

July 1 we brought her to the vet who prescribed an ointment 2x a day for a week (Neomycin and Polymyxin B Sulfates and Dexamethasone Ophthamic Ointment), which initially seemed to work. However, within a week or so, the symptoms returned.

We called requesting more ointment, which we were given, but it was suggested that if she was still having problems after another week to bring her back in.

Within days of her second bout with eye issues, she experienced a nasty moist dermatitis on the right side of her face. We brought her in for that and were given another week's worth of Cephalexin, a topical antibiotic, and told that Prednisone (20mg b1000) should be prescribed, but not while she was still taking Rimadyl prescribed by the surgeon who did her knee. Her last Rimadyl was the following day, so we were given Prednisone but told not to begin using it until the following week.

We were able to alleviate the discomfort of the dermatitis and stop it's spreading with a combination of Vetericyn and EMT Gel and did not require the Prednisone. Much to our relief, as we were concerned about the antibiotic having messed up her immune system to begin with and were afraid the Prednisone might add to an already weakened immune system.

Meanwhile, the eye issue continued. We were forced to seek assistance once more and - without any idea of what else to do - on August 15 had to succumb to four weeks of Prednisone use (2x a day for 2 weeks, then every other day for 2 weeks). We just began our fourth week today, and except for a bit less mucus production than when we began, her eyes look just as red and droopy, the whites of her eyes are still a bit bloodshot, and we still have to occasionally clean the mucus out of her eyes.

The vet assures us the problem is an allergy and that the steroid is necessary to "stop the cycle". She's never had allergies. Ever.

We don't feed her junk (we follow The Whole Dog Journal's advice for both dried, canned and dehydrated dog food) and she's always been healthy. This recent three-week bout of antibiotics is the first time she's EVER been on a broad spectrum antibiotic, and I think she just blew up her immune system.

She's also been experiencing a yeasty odor and itching on her chin in addition to the eyes and moist dermatitis. I think while the Prednisone has helped a little, it's only adding to the problem.

We began a dog supplement called Dinovite in early July, Seacure (hydrolyzed white fish) on August 21, and have been adding a super probiotic called Symbion For Life 3x a day - all in the hope of supporting and/or strengthening her immune system so that once the Prednisone is done in another week, we won't have to continue and we can help her back to a state of balance more naturally. But we're also concerned that her eyes continue to look a bit scary to us.

She hasn't lost her appetite (in fact the begging has increased since the Prednisone began), she's still cheerful and rolicky on romps. She has no problems with her digestion or bowels and otherwise seems comfortable.

Perhaps we're more concerned than she is about it, but I have seen her paw at her eyes as if scratching an itch, and we often catch her rubbing her chin on the carpet and deck in an effort to relieve the itch there.

We fear the eye problem may actually be something other than an allergy and that it may get worse if it's not addressed appropriately, so we're just looking for a second opinion.

All photos, except "happy girl", were taken within minutes of each other this morning.

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Sep 06, 2013
My Online Vet Response for: Droopy Goopy Red and Bloodshot Dog Eyes & Itchy Chin with Yeasty Odor NEW
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

September 6, 2013

Hi Karan,

Your 9 1/2 year old Female spayed Spinone Italiano has never been well since her ACL surgery. Surgical procedures are EXTREMELY suppressive, and coupled with the long term antibiotics, it appears that her Vital Force has been unable to cope. And NOW she is on Prednisone which is immune suppressive! Hopefully, she is on a decreasing dose to wean her off of this over the next 2-3 weeks. (or sooner)

It would have been best to treat her ACL with homeopathic remedies, NOT surgery. If her other knee has a problem, seek the help of a holistic veterinarian NOT a surgeon! And NO MORE vaccinations. If her Rabies is due, find a holistic veterinarian to write an exemption form for her. Click here to find a holistic veterinarian in your area. Another resource for vets knowledgeable in homeopathy is AVH.org.

Supplement her diet with glucosamine plus chondroitin sulfate, (1,200 mg per 50 lb body weight) to help ALL of her joints. There are a number of brands available: Glycoflex, Chondroflex, Sea Jerky, are a few of the chewable ones for dogs.

In the meantime, you are on the right track with her supplements of probiotics and vitamins. Consider the Standard Process product called Immuplex to support her immune system for the next 3 months. This is available on amazon.com. Give her one capsule (open and sprinkle in her food) TWO times daily.

To support her ligaments, give her Ligaplex by Standard Process. One tablet in food two times daily.

DIET:
NO dry dog food or dehydrated dog food. See our page on 10 Best Dog Food options, http://www.organic-pet-digest.com/10-best-dog-food-options.html, and consider a RAW diet for her. Or at least a combination with canned and raw. She needs lots of moisture from her food, and not just by adding water to it. It should be in the form of raw meat, and cooked vegetables. NO RAW PORK or RAW FISH.

TO BE CONTINUED IN PART TWO.

Sep 06, 2013
My Online Vet Response for: Droopy Goopy Red and Bloodshot Dog Eyes & Itchy Chin with Yeasty Odor PART TWO NEW
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

September 6, 2013

Hi Karan,
Here is the rest of my response.

HOMEOPATHIC REMEDY FOR EYES:
Pulsatilla 12C. Dissolve one pellet into a 2 OZ dropper bottle with Spring water. Give her 1/2 dropperful by mouth TWO times daily for the next 4-6 weeks. Shake the bottle 20 times by hitting it against the palm of your hand before each dose. This is called 'succussing' the remedy.

Three times daily rinse her eyes with saline. Homemade saline-add 1/4 tsp Sea Salt to 1 cup distilled or filtered water, stir well. And use an eye dropper to rinse her eyes.

After rinsing, put in 3-4 drops of sweet almond oil three times daily to each eye.

You said, "There is a yeasty odor and itching on chin". Apply Apple cider vinegar to her chin 1-2 times daily with a cotton ball or cloth. And you can also apply this to her moist dermatitis on her face.

Continue for 2 weeks for her eye treatment and chin.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman


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DISCLAIMER: The above should never replace the advice of your local veterinarian, as they have the ability to evaluate your dog in person.


Sep 08, 2013
It's primarily the eyes NEW
by: Karan

Cara was limping and in pain prior to her ACL surgery, I cannot imagine any other option but to succumb to a surgical fix. Her right ACL was repaired in November of 2010 (same thing, limping and in great pain) and she had no issues outside of normal surgical recovery during and after that event. She was not given antibiotics post surgery in 2010. Not sure why they were administered this time.

The dried food she gets conforms to all the requirements listed on your dog food link, the dehydrated she gets is from The Honest Kitchen - the ONLY human grade dehydrated dog food on the market - and we supplement both with steamed veggies, canned dog food that also conforms to your listed dog food requirements, and fish now and again. We eat clean, the dog eats clean. No artificial preservatives or colors, no fillers, no wheat, whole grains occasionally .. no junk. Prior to these current health issues, she's always had a gorgeous coat, bright eyes, clean ears and fresh breath .. without much additional assistance from us. She gets walked for 30+ minutes twice a day, every day, and has never been overweight.

We nipped the hot spot with Vetericyn and EMT Gel within 10 days of its initial development. I think the super probiotic and other two supplements we give her will take care of her chin in the long run. I've tried an aromatherapy product called Dermacton on her chin, but she really doesn't like the geranium smell. I did actually try apple cider vinegar a few times, but she cringed at the smell of that as well. I've been using Vetricyn, which is an antimicrobial, in a hydrogel spray. She doesn't like it when I spray it directly on her chin, but she will let me spray it on my hand and rub it in to her chin, which is probably better anyway.

My BIG concern is her eyes. I just wanted to know if the photos I included reveal something more serious than just "allergies", or if you feel I'm right in believing the pharmaceutical assault is primarily to blame. We've only got one or two more doses of Prednisone to give her (in the one day on, one day off routine) and need to know if we can just stop the Prednisone at the end of the four weeks. We've got enough left to wean her more slowly if required, but I'd like to just stop and continue with the supplements, probiotics and gentle cleansing applications going forward. I fear if we ask the vet, he'll just want to continue with it.

I've been using a German Chamomile hydrosol, which she doesn't mind. I replaced the artificial tears in one of those eye drop bottles you get at the drug stop with the hydrosol, and she submits to that without a lot of fuss.

I wouldn't have allowed the Prednisone at all, except that I'm not the only decision maker in the process and my husband felt the vet knew best. Adding Dinovite, Seacure and super probiotics, plus the Vetericyn, EMT Gel and other more natural fixes, were the best I could do under the circumstances.

Sep 10, 2013
My Online Vet Response for: Droopy Goopy Red and Bloodshot Dog Eyes & Itchy Chin with Yeasty Odor NEW
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

September 9, 2013

Hi Karan,
You wrote,
*My BIG concern is her eyes*

"I just wanted to know if the photos I included reveal something more serious than just "allergies", or if you feel I'm right in believing the pharmaceutical assault is primarily to blame."

From the photos you have submitted, it looks like conjunctivitis. This is basically inflammation of the third eyelid and surrounding conjunctiva. It can be due to allergies, but I am more inclined to agree with you, that the 'pharmaceutical assault' (as you coined it) is to blame.

I suggest continuing everything, and start the homeopathic regime that I have suggested to help her heal faster.

HOMEOPATHIC REMEDY FOR EYES:
Pulsatilla 12C. Dissolve one pellet into a 2 OZ dropper bottle with Spring water. Give her 1/2 dropperful by mouth TWO times daily for the next 4-6 weeks. Shake the bottle 20 times by hitting it against the palm of your hand before each dose. This is called 'succussing' the remedy.

Three times daily rinse her eyes with saline. Homemade saline-add 1/4 tsp Sea Salt to 1 cup distilled or filtered water, stir well. And use an eye dropper to rinse her eyes.

After rinsing, put in 3-4 drops of sweet almond oil three times daily to each eye.

Click here to find a holistic veterinarian in your area. Another resource for vets knowledgeable in homeopathy is AVH.org.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

P.S. If you've found this service or our web site helpful, please "Like" us by clicking the like button at the top of the left margin. Thank you!

DISCLAIMER: The above should never replace the advice of your local veterinarian, as they have the ability to evaluate your dog in person.



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