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Dog with Small Wart & Hot Spots - Cause, Treatment & Diet, Medication and Vaccination Advice

by Judy M.
(Chula Vista, CA USA)

Small Wart on Dog's Leg - Photo 1

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My dog has 2 skin issues (wart and hot spots) and I need advice on treatment, diet and what is causing the problems, including whether vaccinosis & over-medicating with Comfortis & Heartgard could be the culprit.


My dog's skin issues started about a month ago:

1. A very small wart on her leg (about half the size of a peppercorn, flesh-colored - see images), but she was licking & chewing it & made it bleed

2. She has been getting a series of hot spots lately, that re-occur elsewhere on her body after clearing up. We tried various topical treatments before taking her to the vet for both of these skin issues:

*K-7 Antiseptic spray (water, boric acid,benzalkonium chloride, 2%, potassium chloride,zinc sulfate, sodium borate, methyl paraben, propyl paraben, campor)

*Earth's Balance "Itch Free" (ionized water with probiotic tannins)

*CoolSpot2000 which contains a proprietary blend of -aloe barbedends (sp?), grapeseed extract, in a spray- made for hot spots and separately a spray topical antibiotic, Betagen (Gentamicin Sulfate with Betamethasone Valerate)-(not used at same time as the other sprays)- (alternating-did not use all these topicals together, tried first ones first along with...

* 14 days (7/22-8/8) of antibiotic capsules (cephalexin, 250mg twice a day) - local vet prescribed Jul 22 ,when was also given injection of both Depo-medrol & Baytril

Finished the antibiotic capsules 8/8.

Gave 1 dose Thuja per Dr Richard Pitcairn's book, Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats about homeopathic wart treatment & gave the single dose method recommended in his book for dog wart (two 30 cc pills of Thuja, crushed , orally).

Local vet recommended surgery with a $477 estimate to remove the wart (which was his only recommendation other than the antibiotics above). The surgery would include inhalant gas anesthesia.

I would like to find her a local homeopathic vet, but there are none near me in Chula Vista, CA that I can find.

In the interim, I am hoping that advice & recommendations from you can be of assistance regarding my dog's ideal breed-specific diet, considering her skin issues and possible allergies.

Regarding home treatment for the small wart on her leg (before resorting to anesthesia and surgery), what do you think about using "Grandma's Black Salve" (many have reported success with warts on humans & dogs in the testimonials)?

This week I am noticing her stool is softer & covered in a film of mucous - could this be due to the Thuja and toxins releasing?

Prior to starting her on Darwin's frozen raw organic diet (grain free, hormone &antibiotic-free, grass fed raw food) I fed a variety of Chicken, Turkey, Beef and Duck. I rotated these starting on 5/18/13 until present, except I have changed my next order to be Duck only to rule out possible allergy to chicken or beef (Duck was recommended as possibly least likely to cause allergy).

Could her issues be diet-related toxins coming out? Prior to beginning Darwin's raw organic food in May, she was on Natural Balance Limited Ingredients Diet kibble for her whole life.

I know that raw is supposed to be better for her, but these skin problems seemed to start around the time of introducing raw (frozen) in all the varieties. Hopefully, eliminating all the varieties of protein except one (Duck for now) I can evaluate if she is allergic to one of the proteins.

Skin problems (hot spots and wart) – am I on the right track with her diet? Can you make any diet and skin suggestions?

My dog is a 20 Lb, 6-year old CKCS Spaniel/Mini Eskimo Mix. She has long white & beige tan fur & very fair pink skin and a pinkish black nose. She is 21 pounds, and has mostly been in very good health.

- Rabies vac(3 year) given 9/2012; 3 yr1/2009; 9/2008 (1 yr )
- Yearly has been given DHP+P+C, Bordetella, heartworm tests
- Comfortis and Heartgard continuously for most of her life, and will soon be due for this month's doses, but I have not given them yet, wondering if Heartgard or Comfortis is too much meds?

I would like advice on vaccinating or not, medicating with Comfortis and Heartgard, and also diet for a 6 year old, 21-pound, fair skinned dog with above skin issues, but otherwise healthy and happy.

Overmedicating with Comfortis and Heartgard: I am wondering about vaccinosis and/or allergies, and if all of above history is somehow related.

Thanks, Judy

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Aug 21, 2013
My Online Vet Response For: Dog with Small Wart & Hot Spots-Cause, Treatment & Diet, Medication and Vaccination Advice
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

August 21, 2013
Hi Judy,

Thank you for all of the info! And you are correct, the warts are caused by the vaccinations. Vaccines can create a condition in susceptible individuals called 'vaccinosis'. This condition is characterized by hair slow to grow back, warts, tumors, cancers, and chronic illness, such as allergies.

Rabies vaccine is the only vaccine that is required by law. And since she was last vaccinated with a 3 year Rabies 9/2012, she is good until 2015. (Having had THREE Rabies vaccinations in her 6 year life, she actually will have protective antibodies to Rabies in her system for the next 10 years, so even if you never gave her another Rabies vaccination, she would be ok!)

The same for all of the other vaccinations that you have been giving her EVERY year. The DHP-P-C and Bordatella will provide protection for the rest of her life also. DHPPC is recommended to be given no more often than every 3 years by the AAHA and the AVMA. Boarding kennels and groomers are worried about an outbreak of kennel cough in their facilities, so they will require a Bordatella vaccine. (This is the *BACTERIA* that causes kennel cough.) Every DHPPC that she gets also provides protection from kennel cough. The second 'P' stands for Para-Influenza, this is the *VIRUS* that causes kennel cough. If you do not put her in boarding kennel, or take her to a groomer's, she does NOT need to get the Bordatella at all. Considering that she now has warts, and hot spots, she should NOT get any other vaccinations either!

Check out the Current Veterinary Therapy XI issue in their section on Annual Vaccinations, written by the veterinary immunologist, Dr. Ron Schultz, http://www.petresource.com/Articles%20of%20Interest/current_veterinary_therapy.htm. This article was written in 1992, so it is NOT new information. Veterinarians that insist on continuing to vaccinate yearly, are NOT current with their continuing education on their knowledge of vaccine requirements.

As for all of the treatment you have done so far, if the warts appeared about a month ago, and your dog had the antibiotics (orally) 7/22-8/8/13, and an injection of the Depo Medrol and Baytril on July 22, and you gave one dose of the Thuya 30C (2) pellets during this time, the homeopathic remedy probably was unable to act due to interference with the two different antibiotics, and the cortisone, (Depo Medrol).

TO BE CONTINUED IN PART TWO

Aug 21, 2013
My Online Vet Response For: Dog with Small Wart & Hot Spots- Cause, Treatment & Diet, Medication and Vaccination Advice PART TWO
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

August 21, 2013

Hi Judy,
Here is the rest of Part Two:

Cortisone, especially the long acting Depo Medrol, will stay in the system for about 4-6 weeks. My advice, would be to wait 6 weeks after the injection of Depo Medrol was given, and give the Thuya 30C one pellet, one time daily for THREE days. Stop. After 4-5 days send me an update. DO NOT give her any more antibiotics, since that will interfere with her response to the remedy.

For her itching of the warts, and itching hot spots, make up Rescue Remedy, available in Health food stores, or online, http://www.DirectlyFromNature.com/product_p/rr-009.htm. Add 20 drops of Rescue Remedy to 2 oz of Spring Water, and apply to the warts and/or hot spots as needed to *calm* the skin.

I have no experience with Grandma's Black Salve. And worry if you apply any thick cream or ointment to the area it may draw her attention to it, and she will lick it even more.

In my opinion there is no real 'breed specific' diet. Dogs are carnivores, they differ in body size, but a RAW diet is the best. Continue feeding her the raw diet. It may be coincidence that she developed the warts and hot spots soon after you started the raw diet, or just a matter of time with all of the vaccinations she was given!

Instead of Comfortis, use EVOLV, made from Cedar Oil. http://www.wondercide.com/content/evolv-chemical-pesticides/

For the Heartgard, Chula Vista, California, is a heartworm prone area, so I advise keeping her on the Heartgard but instead of giving it every 30 days, give it every 45 days.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

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DISCLAIMER: The above should never replace the advice of your local veterinarian, as they have the ability to evaluate your dog in person.



Aug 23, 2013
comment on advice re:Dog with Small Wart & Hot Spots
by: Anonymous

Thank you, Dr. Tillman for your evaluation. Here are a few updated pieces of info:

I started the Thuja on Aug 13 (about 5 days after the last antibiotic pill of Baytril
Can I start Rescue Remedy now or do I wait until the 6 wks post Depo Medrol ?


Tillie does not have any fleas at present, and hasn't had any since starting her on Comfortis years ago. I only gave Comfortis to prevent fleas, because there are flea in the park where dogs meet in the neighborhood, but we haven't gone there recently. In light of her sensitive skin issues right now, should I still use Evolve if she does not have any fleas?

Would oatmeal shampoo be good to use on her? And can I also use a lavender and mint shampoo for her ?

I will continue Heartgard as you advised every 45 days instead of every 30 days. And I assume I should discontinue the Comfortis?

Regarding the wart, I will re-administer the Thuya at the timing you advised
(Sept 2 would be 6 wks after the administration of Depo Medrol (I was not aware that that was cortisone)
In the interim, would it be ok to also apply the liquid from vitamin E capsules to the wart (that I have read about) or is it best to wait for all holistic treatments until the 6 week mark?
I will obtain the Rescue Remedy and mix according to your directions, assuming this is o to do in the interim before the 6 wk mark following the administration of Depo-Medrol
I will update you 4-5 days after your recommended next Thuya doses.]

Thank you again. I wish my local vet had given me the same advice instead of giving antibiotics and cortisone!

Judy Miller, on behalf of my dog, Tillie

Aug 24, 2013
My Online Vet Response for: Dog with Small Wart & Hot Spots-Cause, Treatment & Diet, Medication and Vaccination Advice
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

August 23, 2013

Hi Judy and Tillie,

Rescue Remedy can be started now.

No need to use EVOLV (made from cedar oil) if she has no fleas.

Oatmeal shampoo would be excellent since it will calm the skin and decrease itching, and can be used once weekly without drying the skin.

Yes, stop the Comfortis.

And Thuya 30C can be resumed about September 2 if that is the 6 week mark post cortisone, (Depo Medrol).

You can apply Vit E to the wart any time.

One week after resuming the Thuya 30C, please send me an update. Or sooner if she has any other problems!

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

P.S. If you've found this service or our web site helpful, please "Like" us by clicking the like button at the top of the left margin. Thank you!

DISCLAIMER: The above should never replace the advice of your local veterinarian, as they have the ability to evaluate your dog in person.





Nov 20, 2013
Followup to prior question and to Dr. Tillman's recommendations on small wart on dog's leg
by: Judy Miller



I am a monthly subscription member & haven't posted a question or an update on this wart (or mass?) on my small dog's leg for almost 2 months. The mass has not decreased, & may be a little bit larger and redder by now. I am guessing that this mass is a wart, but I am not sure.

When I took her to local vet about it at the end of July, the size was listed on the estimated as a mass sized 0-2 CM. The vet did not say what the mass was; he just gave her antibiotics and recommended surgical removal under anesthesia

After your recommendations a few months ago, I did everything that was recommended, but it has not gone away it is slightly larger now (I think, but am not sure) and kind of red. I did the Thuja as recommended (once before all the antibiotics the vet gave were completely out of her system, and again according to your recommendation.)

Since it did not work, can I give another course of Thuja again, now, approx. 2 months later, or is that all the Thuja I can try?

If not Thuja, is there something else I can try? And is there any danger in NOT having it removed if nothing makes it go away?

Can I try a human wart removal treatment? If so is there one that you recommend? I saw this wart removal stick (for humans) made with natural ingredients one on the internet, what do you think of it? ( http://www.aidanceproducts.com/terrasil-wart-removal-stick)

In addition to following your recommendations, I also tried some things topically, such as the oil inside a vitamin E capsule, applied almost daily (no apparent response.)

I have two other questions:
One is a followup correction/question regarding where I live with regard to using Heartgard medication. I had listed Chula Vista, but I should have said EAST Chula Vista, since the city is very large with different characterisics in the city than East Chula Vista, zipcode 91913 where I am near EASTLAKE zip 91914. Do you still recommend that we use heartworm preventative for EAST Chula Vista? If unnecessary for my region, would rather not use it if toxic to my already over-vaccinated dog.

I also have a question about whether using garlic in her food for repelling fleas would be a good idea. I have heard about this method, & have heard "Kyolic" brand / type of garlic capsules are best. Do you agree with this, and would this be a good alternative method of flea prevention? I have also read that some forms of garlic are toxic for dogs, so I wanted to get your recommendation on this as a more natural flea repellant that isn't a messy spray. I did discontinue the Comfortis, as recommended (she has been on for about 5 years & one year of that five, she was on Trifexsis- which also included the heartworm preventative as well as flea preventative.)

Thanks for your direction on what to do next regarding the mass or wart (whatever it is) and also on my two other questions-and especially whether delaying surgery while I try more natural methods poses an danger to my dog.





Nov 20, 2013
My Online Vet Response for: Dog with Small wart & Hot Spots-Cause, Treatment & Diet, Medication and Vaccination Advice
by: Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

November 20, 2013

Hi Judy,

Giving instructions regarding homeopathic remedies is SO much easier in person! For the Thuya 30C, yes, you can repeat it. The last dose you gave was at the beginning of August, (August 2-5). If there is little to no response, and no new symptoms arise, after 2 more months, then Tillie may respond better to a higher potency. (200C or 1M) Surgical removal will only take care of that one wart, and then, usually, more warts will appear.

*NOTE*
DO NOT TOUCH HOMEOPATHIC PELLETS WITH YOUR FINGERS.
For my animal patients, I find it is easier to drop 1 pellet into a 1-2 oz glass dropper bottle, and fill it with Spring water. Give Tillie 1/2 dropperful of the liquid BY MOUTH 1 time daily for three days. Succuss the bottle 20 times, by hitting it against the palm of your hand. Giving it in liquid may be easier than trying to get one pellet into her mouth without touching the pellets.

Do not apply anything to the wart. That may be what is causing it to be red and irritated. I would not advise any human wart removal products. The active ingredient in the Terrasil Wart Removal Stick is Salicylic Acid (12%), which is aspirin and can be toxic to dogs if they eat it.

Regarding the heartworm preventive Heartgard, whether you are in East Chula Vista or a neighboring region-if there are mosquitoes in the area that is how heartworm spreads from one dog to another. Heartgard is relatively NON Toxic, and I suggest giving it every 45 days. That is a low enough dose to prevent any toxic effect, yet will still provide protection.

Garlic is ok to boost the immune system and can be added to a dog's food. But according to studies done at the U of Florida College of Veterinary Medicine, it is only effective about 50% of the time against fleas. It is far better to improve the diet, see our page on 10 Best Dog Food Options, http://www.organic-pet-digest.com/10-best-dog-food-options.html, and consider a RAW diet for your dog to improve her health, than to just rely on adding garlic to a poor diet. Use the EVOLV (http:www.wondercide.com) for fleas if needed.

Seeking the help of a holistic veterinarian may also be an option for instructions regarding homeopathic remedies.

Click here to find a holistic veterinarian in your area. Another resource for vets knowledgeable in homeopathy is AVH.org.

Please keep us posted by coming back to this page and clicking the 'click here to add your own comments' link below.

Take care,
Dr. Carol Jean Tillman

P.S. If you've found this service or our web site helpful, please "Like" us by clicking the like button at the top of the left margin. Thank you!

DISCLAIMER: The above should never replace the advice of your local veterinarian, as they have the ability to evaluate your dog in person.


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